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Earlier when I was listening to some of my favourite classical composers, a thought came to me.

What if symphonies like The Ode To Joy were actually Odinist, when one listens to the lyrics of The Ode to Joy the celebration of Freedom, creativity and individuality is quite notable. What strikes me as strange is the fact that it seems almost completely opposed to how Christianity teaches people to be and if one looks at the writtings of Goethe and Schiller (both of whom Beethoven greatly admired) there seems to be recurence of very pagan themes veilled in christianity and poetic license.

Now if this idea is true wouldn't it make this brilliantly subversive and also a hilarious slap in the face to christianity, why I think this is possible is the fact that they were literary geniuses and there are many accounts of Beethoven being at odds with the church so him choosing a the words of a poet that seems obviously non christian to those familiar with the old ways makes sense.

Here are some of Schiller's works ... poems.html

The gods are quite skilled at being trickster's and using patronage from the church to honor the Gods is rather fitting and as the tittle of this post suggests highly amusing especially if you consider the fact that millions of christians sing the ode to joy in churches ignorant to it's true meaning.

As always I would love to hear any thoughts and opinions on this

ps I appologise for the slightly rambling nature of this post and the accidental multi post, I tend to get big ideas at strange times and usually struggle to articulate certain ideas.

Last edited by War'heri on Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:43 am, edited 3 times in total.

Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:29 pm
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Makes sense to me. If my grandson writes a song about me but mistakenly calls me "Ted" in the lyrics, I don't assume that the song is actually about some random person named Ted. The way I see it, the relationship is what matters. Ode to Joy was a brilliant example, by the way.

Sun May 01, 2016 3:02 am
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Many hymns were reconstructed from local folk-songs with "Jesus" shoe-horned in.

I love the idea of a more modern song like "Ode to Joy" being Odinist, though!

Fri May 06, 2016 3:59 pm
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