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Does anyone here work with entheogens? I am trying to come up with a decent recipe to help in inducing and sustaining trance to assist in my seidr/etc practices.

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I hope you had some success with your research. I would be glad to hear about your findings.
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Vitki wrote:
Does anyone here work with entheogens? I am trying to come up with a decent recipe to help in inducing and sustaining trance to assist in my seidr/etc practices.

-Vitki




I have a Great suggestion which would be beneficial. Psilocybe Semilanceata with a MAOI, the Tribulus t. for example.
P. Semilanceata. is one of the Psylocybin species. But there is something worth taking note of, This species has a much larger amount of Baeocystin compared to other related entheogens (other truffels or mushrooms for example).
Baeocystin, although the non-existant documentation on its effects, has a very strong and divine visual component unlike many entheogens (similar to pure dmt). and unlike other entheogens you have a somewhat firm hold how affected you are.

A good example of this is the ability to shut off troublesome thought patterns which would have spun one into a partially self-induced phychosis on other entheogens.
So in short, on P. Semilanceata you will experience only what you can decode.
It might reach the margins on what your brain can handle but crossing the point where you are not ready to decode the new information won't happen.


I would say that the P. Semilanceata is uniquely qualified to assist you in spiritual practices like seidr.


1.
You fast for about 12-24 hours before eating the shrooms, don't eat other foods during this time, try to keep hydrated with water but otherwise you need to fast.

2.
Eat MAO-inhibitors during the fasting period, preferrably an hour before the actual entheogen. Remember to research any MAOI you are thinking of using in beforehand so you don't eat a MAOI that is too potent and effects you negatively.
MAOIs has the effect that it inhibits specific enzymes, some of these enzymes are meant to protect the bloodbrain barrier from foreign substances and/or substances in excess. These enzymes need to be inhibited as to allow for all the Psylocybin, Psylocin and the Baeocytin to pass through to the brain more easily. But as you can guess this leaves the passage to the brain in a vunerable state and therefore you must be careful what you eat during the fasting.

3.
You simmer 1-3 grams of it on low heat on the stove for about 10-15 minutes with a coule of drops of lemonjuice for the masking the earthy taste (1 gram dried is the equivilent of about 25-30 dried individual mushrooms),
and when you start feeling the effects you can start your trancendal meditation.
This will last for about 6-16 hours depending on the dosage of both P. Semilanceata and the MAOIs



Worth noting:
A benefit with this entheogen would be that it has no dangerous properties if dried, when you dry them you remove the neurotoxin inside this species (which is otherwise so weak you need several hundred fresh mushrooms to notice any negative effect.)
That is less like other entheogens which can often cause dangerous conditions at a medium strength. For example how nutmeg can cause extreme drying, which can dry out your brainstem and effectively your brain.

P. Semilanceata. grows worldwide, takes less then a day to dry fresh ones and are quite easy to spot.
They have a small pointed purple cap and often grows in grazing fields.
(This is generally here you would find them, depending on the country you might find them in more unconventional place)

It is also worth noting that P. Semilanceata. has only been succesfully grown a very few times in the world in total. One of those times was in the bio-lab in the UMU University in Sweden about 10-15 years ago.
This is important to know because you will have to pick you own P. Semilanceata. But don't worry atleast, in about 1 month the P. Semilanceata starts to grow, and the season lasts until the night temperature is nearing 0 degrees celsius.


I copied the passage below to illustrate what you need to be aware of if/when using MAOIs
(Reversible are shortlasting MAOIs, 24 hours approx
Irreversible are long lasting MAOIs, lasting up to 2-3 weeks)

There are significant dangers in using MAO inhibitors.
Most MAOIs potentiate the cardiovascular effects of tyramine and other monoamines found in foods.
Ingestion of aged cheese, beer, wine, pickled herring, chicken liver, yeast, large amounts of coffee, citrus fruits, canned figs, broad beans, chocolate or cream while MAO is inhibited can cause a hypertensive crisis including a dangerous rise in blood pressure.
MAOIs interact with other psychoactive substances in addition to tryptamines; effects of amphetamines, general anaesthetics, sedatives, anti-histamines, alcohol, potent analgesics and anticholinergic and antidepressant agents are prolonged and intensified.

Overdosage of MAOIs by themselves is also possible with effects including hyperreflexia and convulsions.
It should be noted, however, that these strict warnings apply best in the case of irreversible MAOIs, and many users of reversible MAOIs to activate or potentiate tryptamines are not quite as careful with no apparent ill effects.


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I don't know much about psychedelics other than the few I've tried. Of those few, I was very pleased with the effects of the field shroom, you know the one from cow patties. My brother collected some for me. Compared to the hydroponic I once tried, the field shroom was wonderful. I didn't eat it, it made a tea mixed with green tea, which made it a nicer taste. The hydroponic I pureed and mixed into orange juice. It was awful, and due to feeling queasy the whole time, not a nice trip. Plus more mentally disturbing, while field shrooms were not.
The field shrooms felt like a more mentally intense high that you'd expect from cannabis. It had a big positive impact on my creativity, which at the time is what I had been hoping for, since I was painting. No negative side effects whatsoever, and it's about the only psychedelic I would ever consider taking at this point.
Have also tried LSD. Not bad, but weird, and the aftermath is you are totally exhausted and worn down. Not worth repeating more than a couple times, if that.


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If you are going to use MAOI's you really should be careful with any "medications", what food you have in your body, and any heart related issues.

If not you might die.

Personally I am not that much of a fan of P. Semilanceata and always have difficulties finding them. Spent hours and have not found more than 20 at a time.

However, I know how to cultivate Psilocybe Cubensis.

The amount of psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin and -all the other compounds we dont know what they do- is totally up to the genetics and they can differ A LOT in regards to traits/phenotypes such as looks, speed of growth, levels of alkaloids and tryptamines (potency) even if they share the same spore print.

If you can see the spores as a small purple/black speck, you are looking at thousands of strains all with different phenotypes.

Two compatible spores create a strain and in a spore print you have millions if not billions of individual spores.

Fungi (being a Kingdom of their own) works quite different in that regard, compared to plants and humans, so if you want the ones for you, I reckon you should grow your own.

Start with a spore print and then when you get some mushrooms you clone some nice looking ones to isolate traits/phenotypes.

If you want to do seidr, while on mushrooms, and want to do it more than a couple of times a year and want to be able to do it on short notice, without caring about tolerance, which will be normal again after between 4 days and 2 weeks, you should start to cultivate your own.

I've eaten 450-500 Ps. Semilanceata at once and usually eat about five grams of dried Ps. Cubensis ("my own genetics" ,not the stuff from vendors that the primary phenotype looked for is amount and not potency, that are usually a lot weaker) for a similar effect.

Most people that I know that eats them as often as I do need to eat that much, even without any tolerance.

Youll need to double the dose the day after a session, if you want to do seidr two days in a row.

The forum shroomery . org is definitely the best and by far the most up to date place to learn.

Be careful though.

My girlfriend got possessed by a malevolent spirit while "on mushrooms" when she got some very heavy information and got scared while in a room which was infested by the malevolent spirit.

Have someone around that can see with their eyes closed just to be sure you are being protected, until you've made your contract (yes you should make a contract with the spirits) with the ones communicating through the mushrooms and have a good connection to your hamingjas/fylgjas. (If you don't have two you should expand from one to two to become more powerful)

My girlfriend was helped by Ayahuasca and a couple of shamans that helped her remove the malevolent spirit.

I love the mushrooms and are still waiting for Ayahuasca to enter my life.

However I want to be as independent as possible and that excludes all entheogens as a primary source for clarity since they are not always easily available and always will affect you for a couple of hours and have a slow onset.

Sure they are great as "the big guns for clarity" but what if you are traveling in this reality and can't bring them around or just want to do something quick in the netherworld before going to bed?

In regards to nausea

I rarely feel nauseous but if I did I'd be happy to purge the bad stuff inside me.

You'll feel nauseous, if you should, no matter how you prepare them but if you don't like the taste you can powder them and mix with melted chocolate.

Cheers


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Fand wrote:
I don't know much about psychedelics other than the few I've tried. Of those few, I was very pleased with the effects of the field shroom, you know the one from cow patties. My brother collected some for me. Compared to the hydroponic I once tried, the field shroom was wonderful. I didn't eat it, it made a tea mixed with green tea, which made it a nicer taste. The hydroponic I pureed and mixed into orange juice. It was awful, and due to feeling queasy the whole time, not a nice trip. Plus more mentally disturbing, while field shrooms were not.
The field shrooms felt like a more mentally intense high that you'd expect from cannabis. It had a big positive impact on my creativity, which at the time is what I had been hoping for, since I was painting. No negative side effects whatsoever, and it's about the only psychedelic I would ever consider taking at this point.
Have also tried LSD. Not bad, but weird, and the aftermath is you are totally exhausted and worn down. Not worth repeating more than a couple times, if that.


There are a lot of them that grows in cow fields and none that grow hydroponic.

In regards to ones that are worth spending time on searching for the US have a lot more species available than what we do in Europe.

Germany and southward has a couple more species than what we do in Scandinavia, where Psilocybe Semilanceata (Liberty Cap in English and Toppslättsskivling in Swedish) is the only one worth looking for.

The cultivator should be cultivating for the right reasons and have a contract with the spirits communicating through them.

The few cultures using mushrooms Ive heard of are very picky about who gets to pick them. Using virgins or special shamans to do it.


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