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I've been browsing over the elder Edda, specifically Rigsthula, and since doing so I've come across these insights:

Earl is born(swathed in silk) to a highly refined family as well as having Heimdall as a father, whom goes forth to find and teach Earl the runes(note he did not do this for Thrall and Karl). Thrall and Karl weren't versed or skilled in runic Lore and were excluded from the mysteries. Therefore according to the elder edda, one is chosen by the gods to be initiated into the inner runic mysteries, based upon some sort of previous merit or noble standing.

In light of this information, it would seem the runes work at different magnitudes for different people according to their particular merit or virtue.. Not to say one can't accumulate what is necessary by arcane means, this is just how it's recorded in the lore. Ultimately I'm of the thought that runes are the holy heritage of all heirs of Heimdall, being a technology given to or kenned by those who are capable, ready, suited and worthy. Truly, the unworthy exclude themselves.


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Pure self-knowledge is a form of human insanity. Self-satisfaction, that is to say, living in accordance with your instinct and imagination... that is a good attempt to pierce the veil. How might Odin have avoided madness when drinking ? He knew enough to understand the words and follow their meanings to divine truth. Runes are but one way. Our eyes interpret them, just as they give us opinions about everything else.

Odin as written about is certainly an aristocrat of his times, and he dares know the language he uses is powerful. To steal from the zoroastrians.. good thoughts, good words, good deeds. Good words have the power to inspire as an aristocracy should inspire its people. Seek out a society where aristocracy might be allowed to exist and you will find a society living in accordance with.

Consider the words.. and these are my intepretations after reading a little too much.. but here is the power structure....

Yarl (Earl, Earlier form of Aristocracy - "Imperials") - these represent ancient tribal power.
Few Karls (Rulers - Administrators - Ceasars)
Many Thralls (Enthralled.. means enslaved, in one essence, this means.. under the yoke of the Yarl but following directions of the Karl)

The Earls (rulers of a region) give the Carls authority to Administrate their region's peoples (The Enthralled.. Plebians in another language)

P.s. Forgive me for I care little for runes and care more for words. Runes are simplistic deciders to me, they make sense or not.


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ElectroWednesday wrote:
Pure self-knowledge is a form of human insanity. Self-satisfaction, that is to say, living in accordance with your instinct and imagination... that is a good attempt to pierce the veil. How might Odin have avoided madness when drinking ? He knew enough to understand the words and follow their meanings to divine truth. Runes are but one way. Our eyes interpret them, just as they give us opinions about everything else.

Odin as written about is certainly an aristocrat of his times, and he dares know the language he uses is powerful. To steal from the zoroastrians.. good thoughts, good words, good deeds. Good words have the power to inspire as an aristocracy should inspire its people. Seek out a society where aristocracy might be allowed to exist and you will find a society living in accordance with.

Consider the words.. and these are my intepretations after reading a little too much.. but here is the power structure....

Yarl (Earl, Earlier form of Aristocracy - "Imperials") - these represent ancient tribal power.
Few Karls (Rulers - Administrators - Ceasars)
Many Thralls (Enthralled.. means enslaved, in one essence, this means.. under the yoke of the Yarl but following directions of the Karl)

The Earls (rulers of a region) give the Carls authority to Administrate their region's peoples (The Enthralled.. Plebians in another language)

P.s. Forgive me for I care little for runes and care more for words. Runes are simplistic deciders to me, they make sense or not.


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1. Hung I was on the windswept tree;
Nine full nights I hung,
Pierced by a spear, a pledge to the god,
To Odin, myself to myself,
On that tree which none can know the source
From whence its root has run.

2. None gave me bread, none brought a horn.
Then low to earth I looked.
I caught up the runes, roaring I took them,
And fainting, back I fell.

3. Nine mighty lays I learned from the son
Of Bolthorn, Bestla’s father,
And a draught I had of the holy mead
Poured out of Ordrerir.

4. Then fruitful I grew, and greatly to thrive,
In wisdom began to wax.
A single word to a second word led,
A single poem a second found.

5. Runes will you find, and fateful staves,
Very potent staves, very powerful staves,
Staves the great gods made, stained by the mighty sage,
And graven by the speaker of gods.

6. For gods by Odin, for elves by Dainn,
Dvalin for dwarves,
Alsvid for Jotuns, and I
Carved some for the sons of men.

7. Do you know how to write? Do you know how to read?
Do you know how to tint? Do you know how to try?
Do you know how to ask? Do you know how to offer?
Do you know how to send? Do you know how to slaughter?


8. Better don’t ask than offer too much;
A gift demands a gift.
Better send none than slay too many.
So Odin graved in the age ere man,
When he arose, when he came home.

9. These songs I know, unknown to wives
Of kings, or to mankind.
Help is the first, and help it will
In sickness, sorrow, and strife.

10. A second I know that sons of men
Who long to be leeches need.

11. A third I know if need there be
To fetter a foeman’s limbs,
Blunt I make the blades of my foe,
The bite of sword and staff.

12. A fourth I know; if fetters men lay
Fast upon my feet,
When the words I chant, I’ll walk away,
Fetters will spring from my feet,
Bindings burst from my hands.

13. A fifth I know; if a foeman’s shaft
Is fired against the folk,
However fast, its flight I stop,
If ever my eye can see it.

14. A sixth I know; if seeking ill
One sends a rune-cut root,
Whatever malice he meant for me,
On him the harm will fall.

15. A seventh I know; if I see a hall
Above the bench-mates burning,
No matter how strong, I stop the blaze.
I know the song to sing.

16. An eighth I know, useful to all,
Needful for men to know.
If warfare erupts twixt warriors’ sons,
I quickly quench their rage.

17. A ninth I know If need I find
To secure my ship from harm;
I calm the wind when waves run high,
And put the sea to sleep.

18. A tenth as well; if witches I see
At play up in the air,
I work it so their way they lose,
Their hamas they lose, their homes can’t find.

19. An eleventh I know, need I to lead
Lifelong friends to a fight.
‘Neath shield I sing, and safe they go,
Fare to the fight,
Fare from the fight,
Fare safe on every side.

20. A twelfth I know; if a tree should hold
A man in a halter hanged,
I can so cut and color the runes
That the man will walk with me,
The man will talk with me.

21. A thirteenth I know; if I take up water,
And on a young thane throw it,
He will not fall to foes in strife,
Not sink beneath the sword.

22. A fourteenth I know, if I need to count
For men, the glorious gods.
Æsir and Alfar all these I can name.
None of the foolish know this.

23. A fifteenth I know, that sang Theodrerir
The dwarf, at Dellings’ doors--
Sang strength to the Æsir, to the Alfar, gain,
Wise words to Hroptatyr.

24. A sixteenth I know; if a subtle maid
I want for love or lust,
I o’erwhelm the mind of the white-armed girl,
And her thoughts entirely turn.

25. A seventeenth I know, that seldom will wish
A maiden to avoid me . . .

26. An eighteenth I know that I never will tell
To maid or any man’s wife,
Other than her I hold in my arms,
Or else my sister is.

27. Surest are secrets shared with no one,
But now my spells are sung.

north wrote:
. Therefore according to the elder edda, one is chosen by the gods to be initiated into the inner runic mysteries, based upon some sort of previous merit or noble standing.

I don't think that is a solid interpretation. Jarl is also the priestly class. It would make sense for Heimdallr to teach the runes to Jarl, because it would be part of his job to teach everyone else.
In Tacitus Germania, he writes of the priest or the head of the househould reading the runes in lieu of a priest. Heads of households are of all classes.
What I hilighted in red are certain skill sets for rune work. Some say that a Karls skill set should be different than Jarls skill set. A warrior is going to want to read and write the runes for knowledge and protection. A Jarl is going to need to know them in depth. Karl should be able to read them for his family.


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I don't think that is a solid interpretation. Jarl is also the priestly class. It would make sense for Heimdallr to teach the runes to Jarl, because it would be part of his job to teach everyone else.
In Tacitus Germania, he writes of the priest or the head of the househould reading the runes in lieu of a priest. Heads of households are of all classes.
What I hilighted in red are certain skill sets for rune work. Some say that a Karls skill set should be different than Jarls skill set. A warrior is going to want to read and write the runes for knowledge and protection. A Jarl is going to need to know them in depth. Karl should be able to read them for his family.


That is a fair point.
Though the runic practices you mention is oracular divination, probably the most basic form of rune magick, beside writing itself. Anyone can do relatively easily.
As well this idea ( of being chosen by divine beings to be Initiated into the inner mysteries based upon ones merit or nobility ) seems to be repeated throughout the Edda hymes


Havamol ( lower Odin "wins" the runes via initiation from higher odin ( the world tree)
Again from what I understand right now, Odin has been taught already nine magic spell songs by Memory and was three sips given by Gunnlod from the stir of inspiration .
Sigdrifamal ( Siegfried, blessed, noble and without fear, wins the love of sigdrifa, for that reason. She goes on to initiate him into runic mysteries and gives him a drink of the primal mead of memory .

There are quite a few other instances where this recurring theme can be seen, I'll look over my notes for the rest later


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No doubt that the gods do choose people. I may have misunderstood you somewhat and I can do nothing but agree with your reply. Actually, it has opened my mind up a little more too. I never thought that much into it. I will be looking forward to reading more of your notes. Thanks.


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My pleasure

Here's that list of Edda hymes I mentioned: I'm sure there are others but I haven't explored that far yet


Havamol

fafnismol

Sigdrifamol

rigsthula

groagaldr

helgakvitha hjorvarthssonar

helgakvitha hundingsbana 1

helgakvitha hundingsbana II


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ElectroWednesday wrote:
Pure self-knowledge is a form of human insanity. Self-satisfaction, that is to say, living in accordance with your instinct and imagination... that is a good attempt to pierce the veil. How might Odin have avoided madness when drinking ? He knew enough to understand the words and follow their meanings to divine truth. Runes are but one way. Our eyes interpret them, just as they give us opinions about everything else.

Odin as written about is certainly an aristocrat of his times, and he dares know the language he uses is powerful. To steal from the zoroastrians.. good thoughts, good words, good deeds. Good words have the power to inspire as an aristocracy should inspire its people. Seek out a society where aristocracy might be allowed to exist and you will find a society living in accordance with.

Consider the words.. and these are my intepretations after reading a little too much.. but here is the power structure....

Yarl (Earl, Earlier form of Aristocracy - "Imperials") - these represent ancient tribal power.
Few Karls (Rulers - Administrators - Ceasars)
Many Thralls (Enthralled.. means enslaved, in one essence, this means.. under the yoke of the Yarl but following directions of the Karl)

The Earls (rulers of a region) give the Carls authority to Administrate their region's peoples (The Enthralled.. Plebians in another language)

P.s. Forgive me for I care little for runes and care more for words. Runes are simplistic deciders to me, they make sense or not.




Forgive me, your Psychobabble is barely discernable to me of much significance .. Would you care to elaborate more on your vague sayings?
You leave the impression of perceiving things very empirically


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north wrote:
I've been browsing over the elder Edda, specifically Rigsthula, and since doing so I've come across these insights:

Earl is born(swathed in silk) to a highly refined family as well as having Heimdall as a father, whom goes forth to find and teach Earl the runes(note he did not do this for Thrall and Karl). Thrall and Karl weren't versed or skilled in runic Lore and were excluded from the mysteries. Therefore according to the elder edda, one is chosen by the gods to be initiated into the inner runic mysteries, based upon some sort of previous merit or noble standing.

In light of this information, it would seem the runes work at different magnitudes for different people according to their particular merit or virtue.. Not to say one can't accumulate what is necessary by arcane means, this is just how it's recorded in the lore. Ultimately I'm of the thought that runes are the holy heritage of all heirs of Heimdall, being a technology given to or kenned by those who are capable, ready, suited and worthy. Truly, the unworthy exclude themselves.


I appreciate your insight, north, especially concerning the balance of readiness and worthiness. Surely that balance will be a valuable skill to cultivate and maintain over a lifetime.
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Glad to share

Yes it would seem balance in that regard is essential to any who would Know the Runes, yet i imagin, as much would be true for any undertaking that pertains to the cultivation and evolution of soul and the mysteries of fate ;)


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